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#1
06-15-2001, 08:39 PM
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The 109 lair
This website has a very active forum and features detailed photo walkarounds and operating instructions. The site address is:
http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/index1024.htm Besides the forum, sections of interest are: Articles - An eclectic collection of articles, some with very nice drawings, as follows: Reasons behind the aspect of the 109 K4 Use of the RLM02 and RLM66 colors in the 109s The different tall tails of the late war 109s What was the "box" behind the pilot armor on Bf 109 G10 Was the G10 chin bulges found also on G14 A/S version ? The drop tanks of the F-K series The slats of the F-K series References - Operating instructions, detailed color photo walkarounds, and drawings highlight this section. Messerschmitt Me 109 G2 Foreword Pilot's operating instructions (PDF format) Messerschmitt Me 109 G6 Walkaround 109 G6 WrkNr 167271 - Finnish Air Force Museum, Tikkakoski Walkaround 109 G6 WrkNr 163824 - Australian War Memorial, Treloar Centre Annex Walkaround 109 G6 WrkNr 163306 - Poland Spare parts manuals Pilot's operating instructions (PDF format) Messerschmitt Me 109 K4 Pilot's operating instructions (PDF format) Pilot's operating instructions english translation (PDF format) Hispano Aviacion 1112 (Buchon) Walkaround - Spanish markings Avia S99/S199 (Mule) Scale drawings (all variants) Scale models of the 109 - Color photos of impressive scale models by: Floyd Werner Franck Oudin Bernd-Joachim Willmer Vincent Kermorgant Stephane Wrobel Roy Long Gaël Elégoët Links - Actually, a single link: The Mule index (All about the Avia 199) Regards, Richard [This message has been edited by Richard T Eger (edited 15 June 2024).] [This message has been edited by Richard T Eger (edited 07 November 2024).] 
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#2
11-07-2001, 08:32 PM
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From 12 O'Clock High!:
Marko Jeras What happened with Bf 109 Lair? n/t Wed Oct 10 11:23:49 2024 [This message has been edited by Richard T Eger (edited 07 November 2024).]
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#3
11-07-2001, 08:33 PM
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From TOCH!:
Olivier lefebvre Re: What happened with Bf 109 Lair? n/t Wed Oct 10 11:55:08 2024 It moved, but the site is not yet up. The new adress is : http://therapist109.tripod.com/home.html I may help there in a near future when i'm finished with a study on the german piston engines. Olivier.
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#4
11-07-2001, 08:35 PM
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From TOCH!:
Lynn Ritger Just as Olivier says... Wed Oct 10 14:23:23 2024 I've agreed to take over administration of the site from Vincent...unfortunately, he has too many time constraints to continue "holding down the fort", so to speak. He's done a fantastic job, and is sending me tons of information to format and put online. The format has changed, as well...Gael Elegoet (I sure hope I spelled your last name right, Gael! :P) has created some wonderful graphics for the site, and it will be navigated via frames. There are also two separate forums, one for historical discussions and one for technical discussions...I'm also uploading my "Black 6" cockpit photos as well as some Emil photos I had over on DetailSITE. There's an awful lot to put together, and while the very basic framework is up at the address listed by Olivier, there is no content as yet. I expect that to change by tonight, I've got the day off and will be working on uploading some of the content today, including activating the forums. Feel free to contact me offboard with any further questions you might have at jagdflieger109@yahoo.com! Thanks, Lynn PS, Vincent is *still* Doc109, not me! 
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#5
11-07-2001, 11:16 PM
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From 12 O'Clock High!:
Lynn Ritger The 109 Lair is taking shape! Finally... Sun Oct 14 22:39:49 2024 And before I go any further, it's still a mess in the Lair right now, I've got some more stuff to upload which I inadverdently left at home (I'm at work right now)...however, the Tech Forum is back up and running, with no loss of the previous postings. I'm going to have to work on the backgrounds also...somehow they don't show up nearly as well in the public realm as they did when testing it at home (sigh). The article links will be back up in the next day or so, followed by the photo references. In the meantime, stop on by to have a look at the new format, and please let me know what you think! Suggestions and submissions of articles, photo refs, etc. are welcome! http://therapist109.tripod.com/ Thanks everyone, Lynn (aka #2)
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#6
12-03-2001, 05:21 PM
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From 12 O'Clock High!:
Lynn Ritger More updates added to The 109 Lair... Tue Oct 30 22:18:11 2024 For those who are interested, I've now uploaded the walkarounds for the following aircraft to the newly relaunched and redesigned 109 Lair: - W.Nr. 10132 Bf109F-4/trop, ex-Carganico (does anyone have any more shots of this aircraft they would like to share?) - W.Nr. 10639 Bf109G-2/trop, ex-Lüdemann (Black 6)- cockpit details - W.Nr. 163306 Bf109G-6, ex-Pleines (Red 3) - W.Nr. 167271 Bf109G-14 Finnish AF (MT-507) Of course, any further additions are welcomed! I've also redone quite a bit on the Technical Forum format as well...please have a look and offer your opinion! http://therapist109.tripod.com Thanks, Lynn (aka #2)
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#7
12-03-2001, 05:22 PM
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From TOCH!:
Jim P. Do you know... Tue Oct 30 22:27:21 2024 that shortly before he passed away, in an interview with 'Jagerblatt', Eduard Isken commented on how he wanted to get to England to see his old plane? He was refering of course to 'black 6'. Its seems that this was actually his machine and the Ludemann just happened to be flying it on the day of the reported incident which led to its capture.
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#8
12-03-2001, 05:24 PM
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From TOCH!:
Lynn Ritger Neat stuff! Tue Oct 30 23:09:08 2024 At some point I'll have full details pertaining to each aircraft online...that's a little tidbit I wasn't aware of, thanks! Lynn
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#9
04-02-2002, 11:48 PM
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From 12 O'Clock High!:
Rob Romero Where is URL for JG 54 Me-109F Color Footage? Thu Mar 14 20:22:07 2024 165.155.160.41 My most prized download over the internet has become corrupted! Beautiful COLOR Footage of Me-109s -apparently JG 54 Fs in Russia in the summer of 41 or 42. A Schwarm flies in formation and manuevers around the camera plane against a deep blue sky. Mechanics work on the engine and buff down the surface of the an unidentified ace's (5 bar markings) light brown and dark green mottled aircraft to a sheen. Could anyone identify the URL. If I recall it was a non-english Me-109 site, but I could be wrong. Any help in this regard would be most appreciated. Thanks to all!
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#10
04-02-2002, 11:49 PM
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From TOCH!:
Lynn Ritger I saved it and have uploaded it... Fri Mar 15 18:32:58 2024 209.97.5.125 onto the Lair for folks to enjoy. Here's the link: http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/multimedia/109color1.avi Please note you will need a DIVx 4 (IIRC) plugin ( available from www.download.com ) to view the file in its present format. I've also made screenshots from the footage and cleaned them up a little; they're on the new Wartime Color pages on www.109lair.com . Remember, this is a fairly big file, so if you're on dialup you're gonna have a bit of a wait! Lynn
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#11
04-02-2002, 11:51 PM
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From TOCH!:
Rob Romero Original URL Fri Mar 15 20:01:41 2024 165.155.160.44 Thanks so much Lynn, -do you have the original URL, because there were other good clips there.
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#12
12-30-2002, 08:14 PM
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From 12 O'Clock High!:
Mike Shilton Bf109G-14 Mon Nov 11 09:56:27 2024 62.255.32.7 On the Bf109 lair is a copy of an intelligence report relating to a Bf109G-14 werk nr. 413601,is it known what unit this belonged to and its actual camouflage scheme.It was shot down on 22nd July 1944.
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#13
12-30-2002, 08:15 PM
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From TOCH!:
indianer Re: Bf109G-14 Mon Nov 11 10:25:12 2024 202.52.251.9 As per Frappe (La Luftwaffe En France....), Wrk. Nr. 413601 ("Black 7"), piloted by Uffz. Jakob Vogel (8./Jg 1) was lost on 22 July 44. The book has identified the aircraft as a G-6. However, Wrk. Nr. block listings as per Prien/Rodeike puts it squarely in the G-14 category. HTH, Regds,
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#14
12-30-2002, 08:15 PM
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From TOCH!:
Mike Shilton Bf109G-14 Mon Nov 11 17:04:49 2024 62.255.32.7 Thanks very much Indianer,that's a great help.
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#15
12-30-2002, 08:16 PM
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From TOCH!:
Jörg W.Nr. 413601 Tue Nov 12 09:27:44 2024 62.225.77.9 The a/c wasn't an G-14 but an G-6. The first "official" G-14 from Erla came from the 460xxx-batch, with some G-14 in the 413xxx-batch, but these W.Nr. was an G-6 (from bureaucratically sight). Best regards Jörg
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#16
12-30-2002, 08:17 PM
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From TOCH!:
George Hopp 109 G-14 Tue Nov 19 23:29:57 2024 134.117.137.78 Since the RAF got the aircraft, complete with maker's plate, I imagine they should be capable of reading the correct mark of the aircraft off that. There are 2 photos of the aircraft in Prien's "JG 1 and 11: Part 2" page 1081.
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#17
03-10-2003, 02:47 PM
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The latest site address for The 109 lair is:
http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/index1024.htm Regards, Richard
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#18
04-29-2003, 11:15 AM
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From 12 O'Clock High!
Brian NASM He 219 Sun Mar 23 07:08:14 2024 138.88.79.84 Here are pics of the NASM He 219: http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/219/219.htm Courtesy of Lynn and the 109 Lair.
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#19
12-05-2004, 12:59 PM
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From 12 O'Clock High!:
Doyle Bf109-G6 Info Tue Nov 9, 2024 05:23 144.131.118.238 Hi guy's, Does anyone have any information concerning Bf109G-6 werke nummer 163824? Any help would be really appreciated. Doyle
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#20
12-05-2004, 01:00 PM
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From TOCH!:
John Beaman Re: Bf109-G6 Info Tue Nov 9, 2024 14:34 24.163.23.156 Bf 109G-6, 163824, Flzg.Überführ.G. 1, 12-Aug-44, Collision on ground with Bf 109G-6 WNr. 20248, Lfl. 10 BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/780, p.92, Fl.Pl. Rheine, 30%
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