Museums with Luftwaffe aircraft - 2

[Richard T Eger]

The www.paulnann.com Military Aviation Photo Gallery has photos of Luftwaffe aircraft in various museums around the world. The website address is:

http://www.paulnann.com/


The following is a list of aircraft by country, museum, and location. Numbers in parentheses are number of photos. All photos are in color.


USA

<U>Willow Grove NAS, Pennsylvania</U>

Me 262B-1a/U1, 110639 (1)

<U>Planes of Fame museum, Chino, California</U>

Mitsubishi J8M1 Shusui (Me 163), 403 (1)


England

<U>The Fighter Collection, G-AYSJ, Duxford, Cambridgeshire</U>

Bü 133C Jungmeister, LG+01 (1)

<U>Old Flying Machine Company, Duxford, Cambridgeshire</U>

Casa 1.131E (Bü 131) Jungmann, E3B-153/781-75 (2)
Casa 2.111B (He 111H-16), B2I-27 (1)

<U>Duxford, Cambridgeshire</U>

Bf-109G-10, 2 (1)

<U>RAF Museum, Hendon</U>

He 111H-23, NT+SL (1)
Bf 109E-3, 12 (1)
Bf 110G-4, D5+RL (1)

<U>Imperial War Museum</U>

Bf 109G-2/trop, 10639/6 (3)

<U>RAF Museum, Cosford RAF, Shropshire</U>

Me 262A-2a, 112373 (1)
Me 410A-1-U2, 420/430/3U+CC (1)


Scotland

<U>Museum of Flight, East Fortune, Lothian</U>

Me 163B-1a, 191659/15 (1)


Belgium

<U>Koninklijk Legermuseum, Brussels</U>

Bü 181B Bestmann, TP+CP (1)


Netherlands

<U>Militaire Luchtvaart Museum, Soesterberg</U>

Do 24T-3, X-24 (1)


Germany

<U>Deutsches Museum, Munich</U>

Ba 349 (1)
Casa 1.131E (Bü 131) Jungmann, E.3B-555 (1)
Fi 156C-3, A-96 (1)
Junkers A50ci Junior, D-2054 (1)
Junkers F.13fe, D-366 (1)
Messerschmitt M 17, D-779 (1)
Bf 109E-3, 2804 (1)
Me 163B-1a, 120370 (1)
Me 262A-1a, 500071/3 (4)

<U>Deutsches Museum Flugwerft, Schleissheim</U>

Bü 181 Bestmann, D-ECYV (2)
Casa 2.111B (He 111H-16) (1)
Do 24ATT, D-CATD (1)
Bf 109G-2 (Hispano HA.1109K.1L) (1)
Kaiser Kal (probably Grunau Baby), D-8362 (1)

<U>Auto und Technik Museum, Sinsheim</U>

Casa 2.111B (He 111H-16), 5J+GN (1)

<U>Junkers Museum, Dessau</U>

Ju 52/3mg4e, 6134/1Z-BY (1)

<U>Memmingen</U>

Bf 109G-2 (Hispano HA.1109K.1L) (1)

<U>Luftwaffe Museum, Gatow</U>

Me 163B-1a, 191904 (1)


Switzerland

<U>Verkehrshaus der Schweiz, Luzcern</U>

Bü 133C Jungmeister, U-060 (1)

<U>Museum der Schweizerischen Fliegertruppe, Dubendorf</U>

Bü 181B-1 Bestmann, A-251 (1)
Fi 156C-3, A-100 (1)
Bf 108B-2, A-209 (1)
Bf 109E-3, J-355 (1)


Poland

<U>Muzeum Lotnictwai Astronautyki, Krakow</U>

Bü 131B Jungmann, SP-AFO (1)
Me 209V1 (fuselage), D-INJR (1)


Russia

<U>Central Museum of the Great Patriotic War, Victory Park, Moscow</U>

Bf-109F (1)


Regards,
Richard

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[Richard T Eger]

The Dutch Federation for Aviation Archaeology (Nederlandse Federatie voor Luchtvaart Archeologie, or NFLA), has an extensive website covering the activities of aircraft recovery groups in the Netherlands. The website address is:

http://www.a1.nl/nfla/nfla~gb.html

The site discusses the activities of the various societies doing the excavations. Of great value is the listing of revovered aircraft/aircraft parts listed under All excavations in the Netherlands. As of this writing, the following Luftwaffe aircraft have been identified:

1 Do 18
1 Do 215
7 Do 217's
38 Fw 190's
3 He 111's
1 He 115
1 He 219
18 Ju 88's
41 Bf 109's
18 Bf 110's
1 Me 262
1 V-1

Details for each include date of recovery, organization responsible for recovery (I think), location, type, serial number, markings, unit, date of crash, and recovery details.

Under the topic title Workgroup infrastructure are building photos taken at the following airfields:

Valkenburg (NH)
Leeuwarden
Soesterberg
Bergen (NH)
Twenthe
Deelen

Links are provided to 18 related sites.

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Peter Ocker
dudu29ff@aol.com
colored pics of german gliders
Sat Aug 3 00:16:28 2024
195.93.66.12

Dear friends,
i am searching for colored pics of german gliders till 1945 like Grunau Baby, Weihe and Habicht. Can anybody help me ?
Also, I am searching a good quality copy of pilot's manual for the Weihe glider (printed before 1945), as I'm the owner of the famous Weihe D-0700, which I am regularly flying and from time to time is on exhibition of the Flugwerft Schleissheim of the Deutsches Museum.
Thanks for your replys.

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Marcel Hogenhuis
marcel.hogenhuis@planet.nl
coloured photo's gliders in WW-2
Mon Aug 5 09:48:11 2024
195.241.242.7

Hello Peter,

I own a Grunau Baby IIb myself (Venlo) and perhaps we will meet somewhere with the Vintage Gliding Club or an oldtimer meeting somewhere else? Not a coincidence but I do some research about the history of Venlo airfield in WW-2, thus continueing the efforts of a good friend and colleague mr. van der Steen. He donated his collection to me and it does contain original colour dia's from Venlo airfield in WW-2, including Grunau Baby and Kranich pictures. No Weihe but the other contributors to your message refer to some beautiful books.

Good luck, Marcel Hogenhuis
Study Group Venlo Airfield in WW-2

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Philip,ABRG
german fighter found at Oosterbeek
Mon Sep 2 22:17:33 2024
213.93.31.206

Today I was called to a field near Oosterbeek railwaybridge as the farmer who owned the land phone me that they had found a german plane, it is probably the FW 190 who came down in the fields after the Battle of Arnhem, and probably was dumped in this old bomb crater after the war, 2 green proppelerblades were found, together with a nice tail end wheel, and bits and pieces of the radiateur, and a lot a smashed aluminium

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Juergen
FW 190 recovery
Thu Sep 5 19:07:16 2024
80.133.85.136

Hello Philip,

I think this a/c could be the one which is stated missing on the map kept within the Bevrijdingsmuseum Groesbeek. As my visit is long ago I don´t remember exactly, but I think it´s Rudi Müller of JG 6 (or someone sounding similar), who crashed near the Heilig Land-Stichting on 25.09.44. Have a look at the map and PC at Groesbeek!

Regards from Issum/Germany, Juergen Haus

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Juergen
correction
Fri Sep 13 16:52:25 2024
80.133.89.64

Hello Philip,

I just found out that I was a little bit wrong, the places are different. Another supposition: This a/c could be the one which had been downed by Lt. Parsons (359. FG/369. FS) in the Arnheim/Dieren area on 18.9.44, 15.15 h. Can you pass on further informations as soon as you have some ?

Regards, J. Haus

[Richard T Eger]

The Aircraft Walkaround Center website, by Robert Lundin, consists of primarily of photos and links to photos. Photos of Luftwaffe interest represent but a fraction of the total site offering, yet that is substantial. The site address is:

http://www.aircraftwalkaround.com/

Sections of Luftwaffe interest:

170+ Walkarounds

Dornier Do 24

7 detail color photos taken at Soesterberg Luchtmacht Museum, The Netherlands in 1998.

Fiat CR. 42 (J11)

1 general and 5 detail color photos taken at the Swedish Air Force Museum (Flygvapen Museum) in Linköping in 1980 and 1998.

Junkers Ju 86 (B3)

3 detail b & w photos and 22 b & w drawings, some rather of refined detail, were scanned from the original technical manual which was used in the Swedish AF.

2 detail color photos were taken at the Swedish Air Force Museum (Flygvapen Museum) in Linköping in 1998.

Messerschmitt Bf 109 G

16 detail color photos were taken at US Air Force Museum, Wright Patterson and contributed by Dennis Sparks.

Heinkel He 162

6 detail color photos were contributed by Eric Fujii.

Siebel Si 204

8 color polaroids were found in a bookstore in Stockholm; photographer unknown.

Blohm & Voss BV 141

19 b & w photos and 11 drawings, some quite detailed, were taken from the June 1942 issue of Der Flieger, the June 1942 issue of Der Deutsche Sportflieger and the original pilots manual of the Blohm & Voss Bv 141. These were supplied by Gary Webster.

Focke Wulf Fw 190 A-8 "Blue 4"

19 detail color photos were taken at the TEXAS AIR MUSEUM, San Antonio, TX by Kenneth Eck.


2750+ Walkaround links

This section requires a lot of patience, as there are quite a number of dead links. However, buried in here are some real gems. Aircraft for which there are active links are:

He 111
Bf 109
Bf 110
Fw 190
He 162
Horten IX
Do 335
DFS 230
Fi 156
Ju 87
FA 223
Me 262
Ju 52
Bv 138
Do 24
Ta 152
Me 163
Ba 349
Arado 66 d
Bf 108
He 111 H 16 (CASA 2.111 B)
MXY7 Ohka
Do 212 V1
Fw44 Stieglitz
Me 410 Hornisse
FIAT CR-32
Horten Ho IV
Horten flying wing series
Bucker Jungmann
Bucker Jungmeister 1


Airshows and Museums

Belgian air shows

1 color photo of Spanish Bf 109

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

Colonel Blade's Ju 88 - Archiv website is devoted to the Ju 88 family of aircraft. The address of this German language site is:

http://www.ju88-archiv.de/ju88/main.htm

Sections of interest are:

Privat (Personal) - Color photo of a display model of a Ju 88 apparently of WW II origin.

Neues (New) - Site updates

Geschichte (History) - Early history of development of the Ju 88 with 12 b & w photos.

Versionen (Versions) - Fairly complete coverage of the various versions up through the Ju 488 with capsule descriptions, b & w photos, and color profiles. Includes an interesting development progression chart.

Geschwader (Squadron) - Listing by squadron identification, Kennzeichen, and Ju 88 versions flown.

Museum - Listing of known existing Ju 88 family aircraft from wrecks to museums. A number of these include photographs. Countries where Ju 88 family aircraft are currently located are:

Germany
Norway
Belgium
USA
USA - NASM Garber restoration facility
Great Britain
Piräus
Euböa
East coast of the Peloponnes
Crete
Russia
Finnland
Le Frioul bei Marseille
Nordskyn peninsula at the north cape

Quellen (Sources) - Descriptions with color cover photos of 15 books.

Forum - Presumably a discussion forum, but I could not open this page.

Links - 7 Luftwaffe history related links.

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

andy m
Any He177 fragements anywhere...please?
Thu Mar 20 18:41:03 2024
195.92.67.66

Hi
Im trying to locate a few relic fragments of the He177 to complete a presentation for a local museum - we have examples of every Luftwaffe type that flew against Britain apart from the He177. We could afford a modest sum or would be happy to swap parts of other Luftwaffe types.
Thanks
Andy (UK)

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Nick Beale
He 177 parts
Fri Mar 21 18:40:52 2024
212.159.51.12

I don't suppose they'd part with it but the Brussels air museum has an undercarriage leg and wheel from a 177 that crashed in Belgium.

[Richard T Eger]

For a thread discussing the Ju 87 project in Belgium, the reader is referred to the topic "Luftwaffe Genst.Gen.Qu.6.Abt. loss lists at the BA/MA - 15" on the "Archives in Germany: Bundesarchiv" forum.

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Graham Warrener
Arnhem FW190
Sun Jun 1 22:50:08 2024
205.188.209.106

I read in a German newspaper yesterday, that a FW190 was excavated last week in the Schuytgraaf district of Arnhem (NL)

Anybody have more information?

Graham

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Dave
190
Mon Jun 2 00:06:17 2024
210.54.247.221

There is a little bit more info here [ from a Dutch newspaper

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org...msgnum=1002608

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Philip,Arnhem Battle Research group
FW 190
Sun Jun 8 15:54:17 2024
213.93.31.206

It went to the museum Vliegbasis Deelen at Deelen

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Larry Hickey
Bf109E-3 down in Belgium W.Nr.
Thu Feb 26 00:31:47 2024
67.173.250.240

According to the Belgian Aviation History Association (BAHA) website, two of their members excavated a 109E-3 near Leuze, Belgium, in 2024, recovering substantial remains of both the plane and pilot. Does anyone know if any markings were still in evidence on the plane, or if the W.Nr. could be determined from the wreckage? Lt. Freiherr Adolf von Boeselager of 1/JG 21 was identified from his ID disc.

Thanx

(The BAHA website address is:

http://www.baha.be/

Of Luftwaffe interest are the following:

Aviation Archaeology - Lists several recovered German aircraft, along with brief histories and photos.

Aircraft Preservation - Articles and photos of various German WW II era aircraft in different states of preservation.

E-BAHA (Forum) - I went back several screens on this one and nothing really jumped out at me as being on Luftwaffe aircraft. Of course, it could be hidden under one of the non-descript topic titles.

Regards,
Richard)

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Luc Wittemans
BAHA
Thu Feb 26 07:31:18 2024
193.191.210.2

Larry,

You might try to post this at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/e-baha/

the BAHA forum. There are probably several who participated in the excavation on that board.

Regards,

Luc Wittemans

(The following is a description of the forum:

"This Forum is open to anyone interested in Aviation History in Belgium. The rules are simple : You can freely use this forum to dialogue with each others about Belgian aviation history or subjects relating to it. Direct advertising is not allowed. You can review newspapers, books or other goods relating to Aviation History in Belgium. Spam will be deleted and the sender will have his access denied to the forum. The Forum can not be used to attack individuals, groups or organisations. The moderators are intitled to delete entries not respecting the rules. The BAHA can not guarantee, nor the quality, nor the response to your questions. You can post your messages anonymously In case of trouble, you can contact the moderator at yduwelz@swing.be Feel free to use your native language (Dutch, French, English…) but wherever possible try to use English to increase the possibilities of response. Remember that people all over the world are reading your questions. In case of trouble, please contact me at yduwelz@swing.be"

Regards,
Richard)

[Richard T Eger]

The following information is in references to the website The Hanns Klemm Homepage, by Horst Zoeller.

From within a thread on 12 O'Clock High!:

Tony Jones
Re: H. Klemm Homepage & Horst Zoeller
Wed Mar 24 19:25:30 2024
195.92.67.65

Go to

http://www.junkers.de.vu/

When into the site go down to "German Aviation History" click on this and then select Klemm

(Per Tony's guidance, this site is found through first going to Horst Zoeller's "The Hugo Junkers Homepage" site. The site appears to be of 1998 vintage and doesn't appear to have been updated since. The Homepage notes the following site contents:

Contents

Hanns Klemm's Biography

Development of Klemm Flugzeugbau

Who is who at Klemm?

Klemm Aircraft Types - very detailed listing with histories and technical data

Remaining Klemm Aircraft - listing of remaining Klemm aircraft in:

- Germany
- Austria
- Luxembourg
- England
- Iceland
- Finland
- Australia
- USA
- Sweden
- Denmark
- Netherlands
- Switzerland
- Portugal

Links to other servers

Klemm Literature + Books


Links to Klemm related Pages

Klemm KL107 Hompage (photos of remaining KL107 aircraft)


Klemm Books & References - reference to 3 books

Regards,
Richard)

[Richard T Eger]

HZoeller
Member
Posted: 10 April 2024 15:48

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You might reach my Klemm Page also with the direct link

http://home.t-online.de/home/hzoeller/kl_home.htm

Best, Horst

[Richard T Eger]

The AXLs Plane Gallery website, by Alex Postma, contains a very large collection of Axis aircraft photos, some vintage and some of preserved aircraft. The site address is:

http://www.studenten.net/customasp/axl/index.asp

The section of interest is:

WWII Axis - photos

Bf 108 - 12 color, 4 b&w

- Includes A/C at Kalamazoo Air Zoo, Kalamazoo, MI, U.S.A.; Musee Royal de l'Armee, Brussels, Belgium; Ex N108H, OO-NET, New Zealand; Germany; Deutsche Lufthansa Berlin Stiftung, Germany; Imperial War Museum, London, England

Bf 109 - 26 color, 8 b&w

- Includes A/C at RAFM Hendon, England; German Air Force Museum, Germany; Finnish AF Museum, Tikkakoski, Finland; USAFM, Dayton, OH, U.S.A.; IWM, Duxford, England; NASM, Washington D.C., U.S.A.; Planes of Fame, California, U.S.A.; Fundacja Polskie Orly, wnr 163306, Poland; Bf 109G-10 W.Nr. 151591, EADS, Messerschmitt Foundation, Germany

Bf 110 - 8 color, 11 b&w

Me 163 - 10 color, 15 b&w

- Includes A/C at RAFM Cosford, England; Luftwaffe Museum, Gatow, Germany; IWM, Duxford, England.

Me 262 - 12 color, 22 b&w

- Includes A/C at Deutches Museum, Munich, Germany; NASM, Washington D.C.; U.S.A.; Vojenske Muzeum, Kbely AB, Czech Republic; South African National Museum of Military History; South Africa.

Me 323 - 6 color, 14 b&w

Me 410 - 7 color, 6 b&w

- Includes A/C at RAFM Cosford, England

Messerschmitt P.1101 - 7 b&w

Ta 152 - 8 b&w

Ta 154 - 6 b&w

Fw 187 - 1 color, 8 b&w

Fw 189 - 3 color, 27 b&w

Fw 190 - 12 color, 29 b&w

- Includes A/C at USAFM, Dayton, OH, U.S.A.; RAFM Hendon, England

Fw 200 - 3 color, 19 b&w

Ju 52 - 2 color, 8 b&w

Ju 87 - 8 color, 29 b&w

- Includes A/C at RAFM Hendon, England

Ju 88 - 4 color, 8 b&w

-Includes A/C at RAFM Hendon, England

Ju 287 - 9 b&w

Ju 290 - 9 b&w

Ju 388 - 2 color, 11 b&w

Ju 390 - 4 b&w

Do 17 - 2 color, 11 b&w

Do 18 - 1 color, 8 b&w

Do 24 - 2 color, 11 b&w

- Includes A/C at Militaire Luchvaart Museum, Kamp Van Zeist, Netherlands

Do 26 - 2 color, 7 b&w

Do 215 - 7 b&w

Do 217 - 1 color, 17 b&w

Do 335 - 3 color, 13 b&w

- Includes A/C at NASM Garber, Silver Hill, MD, U.S.A.

Do J Wal - 1 color, 8 b&w

- Includes A/C at Technical Museum, Lujan, Argentina

He 59 - 1 color, 11 b&w

He 100 - 1 color, 4 b&w

He 111 - 8 color, 30 b&w

- Includes A/C at RAFM Hendon, England; Confederate Air Force, Midland TX, U.S.A. (crashed and destroyedon 10 July 2024); Norwegian Aviation Museum, Norway

He 111Z - 9 b&w

He 112 - 1 color, 11 b&w

He 114 - 6 b&w

He 115 - 4 color, 9 b&w

He 177 - 2 color, 11 b&w (possibly 1 of these is in color)

He 162 - 4 color, 11 b&w

- Includes A/C at Planes of Fame California, U.S.A.; IWM, London, England; Le Bourget Paris, France; RAFM Hendon, England

He 219 - 2 color, 6 b&w

He 280 - 8 b&w

Hs 123 - 1 color, 10 b&w

Hs 129 - 1 color, 8 b&w

Bv 138 - 2 color, 16 b&w

Bv 141 - 11 b&w

Bv 222 - 17 b&w

Bv 238 - 6 b&w

Fi 103 - 1 color

- Missile at Historisch-Technisches Informationszentrum, Peenemünde, Germany (replica containing original parts)

Fi 104R - 6 b&w

Fi 156 - 27 color, 11 b&w

- Includes A/C at CAF Texas, U.S.A.; USAFM, Dayton, OH, U.S.A.; Swiss Air Force Museum, Switzerland; Luftwaffe Museum, Gatow, Berlin, Germany; Fi 156 W.Nr. 475309, Kermit Weeks, Florida, U.S.A.; Flygvapenmuseum, Linköping, Sweden.

Ar 196 - 5 color, 11 b&w

- Includes A/C at NASM Garber, Silver Hill, MD, U.S.A.

Ar 232 - 9 b&w

Ar 234 - 4 color, 11 b&w

- Includes one A/C variously at NASM, Garber, Silver Hill, MD, U.S.A.; NASM, Washington, D.C., U.S.A.; NASM, Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center, Washington Dulles International Airport, Chantilly, VA, U.S.A. (current A/C location).

Ar 240 - 8 b&w

Ba 349 - 5 color, 12 b&w

- Includes A/C at NASM, Garber, Silver Hill, MD, U.S.A.

Caproni Campini CC.1 - 7 color, 4 b&w

- Includes A/C at the Italian Air Force Museum, Vigna di Valle, Rome, Italy

HA-1112-M1L (Spanish-built Bf 109) - 15 color

- Includes A/C at Planes of Fame, Chino, CA, U.S.A.; Fighter Factory, Suffolk, VA, U.S.A.; National Aviation Air Museum, ONT, Canada, on loan to Western Canada Aviation Museum, Canada; OFMC, Duxford, England, crashed on 25 Sept. 1999 in Spain; Kalamazoo Aviation History Museum, Kalamazoo, MI, U.S.A.

Mitsubishi J8M1 Shusui - 5 color, 4 b&w

- Includes A/C at Planes of Fame, Chino, CA, U.S.A.; Mitsubishi Heavy Industry, Nagoya, Japan

Nakajima Kikka - 9 b&w

Yokosuka MXY-7 Ohka - Baka - 6 color, 12 b&w

- Includes A/C at RAFM Cosford, England


My thanks go to Mikael Olrog who helped with identifying the locations of the preserved Axis aircraft.

Regards,
Richard