Museums with Luftwaffe aircraft - 2

[Richard T Eger]

Jon Gant claims for his Messerschmitt Bf 109 website that it is the most authoritative site on the Bf 109. Having now reviewed it, I believe he certainly is in competition for that title. His site address is:

http://www.bf109.com/frameset.html

The sections of the site are as follows:

Site Articles

Messerschmitt Bf 109: The Beginning - Very short article with 2 color drawings and a b&w side view drawing.

Bf 109 Armament, by Tony Williams - Discusses the various armaments used by the Bf 109. A link labelled "armament" at the bottom of the article leads to significantly more information.

Hans Dittes 'Black 2' - Includes 3 color photos.

Preservation of Leather Artifacts: US Air Force Museum

Bf 109 Replica Project - Jon's ambition to build a replica. A link to an article on the Dakota Bf 109 replica tells the story of this interesting project, along with several color photos.

Meeting Franz Stigler, by Markus and Ryan Muntener - Short interview with 1 color and 2 b&w photos.

Bf109 Variant Evolution Information - Production numbers and list of variants with short description of what was unique about each one. Includes photos and drawings of some of the variants.

Messerschmitt Bf 109 Foreign Variations - Useage by Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechoslovakia, and Spain. Some tabular data.

Performance Statistics of the Bf 109 - Technical and performance information for the Bf 109V1, V3, B-2, E-4, F-3, G-6, and K-4. Five b&w photos.

Engine Construction Information - Technical information on the DB 600, DB 601, and DB 605. One b&w drawing, 1 color photo. Link to article on DB 601 and DB 605 with technical information, b&w drawing, and cutaway line drawing.

Armament Information - Table and description of armament used, color photo of amunition, table by variant indicating armament used along with history of useage, and two phantom drawings of amunition.

Pilots Manuals - Acrobat downloadable manuals for the Bf 109E, G-2, and K-4, along with English translations of the G-2 and K-4 manuals.

Flying the Messerschmitt Bf 109

RAE evaluation

Mark Hanna's commentary

Comments by 3 Luftwaffe pilots

Includes 3 color photos.

Photo Gallery

<U>Favourite Images</U>

MBB Bf 109G - 1 color photo
Bf 109G-2 'Black 6', WN 10639 - 2 color photos
Aerial shot, possibly of Black 2 - 1 color photo
Head-on cockpit - 2 b&w shots
Bf 109G-6 (D-FMBB) - 2 color photos

<U>Assorted 109 Images</U> - 3 color, 4 b&w photos

<U>Duxford Museum Visit (Nov' 2024)</U> - 5 color photos

<U>Deutsches Museum Visit</U>

BF 109E-3, WN 790 - 4 color photos
Ju 52 - 1 color photo
Me 163 - 1 color photo
Me 262 - 2 color photos
DB engine - 1 color photo

<U>The Art of Frank "Gray Eagle" Williamson</U> - 3 color in-flight images

Video Footage

A small video that Matt created for the site, but was not used because of bandwidth issues.

A larger movie showing archive footage of 109's taking off and in flight (with sound). Submitted by Sebastian Schweizer.

Sounds

A nice example of a 109 flypast, gives a great sense of the Daimler Benz's immense power.

Survivors News - News on Bf 109 airframes around the world. One fascinating color photo of 3 Me 262 fuselages.

Airworthy Messerschmit Bf 109 Survivors - Table listing 8 aircraft.

Static/Under Restoration Bf 109 Survivors - Large listing of survivors.

Message Board - Forum requiring membership.

Links - Five listed.

Bibliography - Ten references listed.

Regards,
Richard

[This message has been edited by Richard T Eger (edited 08 April 2024).]

[Richard T Eger]

The website VirtuaaliLentoLaivue Icebreakers, by Jukka Kauppinen contains a Warhistory series of pages at:

http://www.compart.fi/icebreakers/WW2History.html

Amongst the articles is one on the recovery and restoration of Messerschmitt 109 G-2 "MT-208" now in the Finnish Aviation Museum. The article includes a photo of MT-208 in 1944 and at least 9 color photos from recovery to museum display.

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

Much of James Yeowell's Horrido! - The Luftwaffe Research Website either never existed or has been drastically curtailed. What remains essentially are tables of Bf 109 Stammkennzeichen and a listing of Bf 109 survivors & replicas. The website address is:

http://www.yeowell19.freeserve.co.uk/

The sections of interest on this site are:

What's New - The usual site updates. Unfortunately, the site has not been updated since Dec. 1999.

The Messerschmitt Bf 109 Research page

<U>Bf 109 Stammkennzeichen</U> - Tables of Stammkennzeichen for the following ranges:

Stammkennzeichen ??+AA - FL+??

Stammkennzeichen GA+GH - NW+KU

Stammkennzeichen PB+?? - WU+PF

<U>Bf 109 Survivors & Replicas</U> - Information covering aircraft in:

USA
Canada
UK
Finland
Norway
Germany
Poland
Switzerland
Italy
Yugoslavia
South Africa
Australia

Links - Fairly short and a bit out of date.

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

IPMS Stockholm, The International Plastic Modelers Society in Stockholm, has an excellent website featuring articles with numerous color photos and descriptions on preserved aircraft. There are also a couple of color profile articles of interest. The site address is:

http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/ipms/main.htm

Articles of interest are:

Notes about Luftwaffe colors, Jan. 1997.

Comparison of RLM color name to possible Federal Standard match.

Messerschmitt Bf-109G-6 in Detail, Apr. 1997.

Bf 109G-6 - 6 color photos, NASM, U.S.A., fall 1996.

Heinkel He 162 Volksjäger in Detail, June 1997.

He 162 - 9 color photos, IWM, ,England and 3 color photos, RAF Museum at Hendon, England

BMW 003 - 1 color photo, Planes of Fame Air Museum, Chino, California, U.S.A.

Focke-Wulf Fw 190A in Detail, July 1997.

Fw 190A-8 - 10 color photos taken at the IWM, England

2-seat Fw 190 - 2 color photos, RAF Museum at Hendon, England

Messerschmitt Bf 109E in Detail, July 1997.

Short descriptions of the E variants.

Bf 109E-4 - 15 color photos, RAF Museum at Hendon, England.

Messerschmitt Bf 110 G in Detail, July 1997.

Bf 110 G-4d/R3 - 15 color photos, RAF Museum at Hendon, England

Vintage German rocketry, V2 Missile in Detail, Dec. 1997.

V2 - 7 color photos, NASM, Washington, D.C., U.S.A.

World War II Colors in Color, May 1998.

<U>World War II German aircraft gallery</U>

Bf 109G-10 - 1 color photo
Me 410A-3 - 1 color and 1 b&w photo
Me 262A - 1 color photo
Bf 109K? or G? - 1 color photo
Bf 109G-14 - 1 color photo
Bf 109E-7/Trop - 1 color photo
Bf 109 - 1 color photo
Ju 87B - 1 color photo

<U>New and Uncommented Pictures</U>

Fw 190G - 1 color photo

Camouflage and markings of Focke-Wulf Fw 190, Dec. 1998.

Fw 190 - 8 color profiles
Ta 152 - 1 color profile

Horten IX (Gotha Go 229) in detail, Feb. 1999.

History

Ho IX V2 - 1 period b&w photo

Go 229 V3 - 1 period b&w photo

Go 229 V3 - 10 color photos, NASM Paul E. Garber Restoration Facility, Silver Hill, Maryland, U.S.A.

Messerschmitt Bf 109G-10 in Detail, Oct. 1999.

BF-109G-10, WN 611943 - 17 color photos, Planes of Fame Air Museum, Grand Canyon division, U.S.A.

Camouflage and markings of Messerschmitt Me 109, Feb. 2024.

Me 109 - 12 color profiles, with details

Messerschmitt Me 262 in Detail, Sept. 2024.

Me 262A-1a/U3, FE/T-2-4012 - history with 1 period b&w photo

Me 262A-1a/U3, FE/T-2-4012 - 12 color photos, Planes of Fame Air Museum, Chino, California, U.S.A., spring 1999.

Fieseler Fi 156 Storch in Detail, March 2024

Fi 156C - 14 color photos, Swedish Air Force museum, Linköping, Sweden.


The site also includes a message board.

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

The Virtual Aviation Museum website's strength is in its listing of aviation museums in Europe. While there is the occasional photo and minimal technical and historical detail, these are not the site's strenghts. The address of the site is:

http://www.luftfahrtmuseum.com/htmi/general/i.htm


Sections of Luftwaffe interest:


<U>Aircraft types</U>

Listed by name, designer, and category, a broad, but light depth coverage is made of much of the world's aircraft output.


<U>References</U>

Currently, there is only a listing of magazines worldwide. The intent is to add sections on famous aviators and a dictionary of aviation terms.


<U>Museums in Europe</U>

Denmark

<U>Danmarks Flyvemuseum, Vedbaek</U>

Akaflieg München Mü 13 D Atalante high performance soaring plane, 01536, OY-MUX
Avia Sk 15 sports aircraft, 1873, SE-AKN (Fv5087)
Focke Achgelis FA 330 A-1 Bachstelze unpowered rotary wing aircraft for use from submarines, 60127
Hütter H 17 A soaring plane, 186, OY-61 (D-10-824, OY-61, OY-AXH)

Sweden

<U>Svedinos Bil-Och Flygmuseum, Sloinge</U>

DFS Olympia Meise, SE-SAI
Focke Wulf FW 44 Stieglitz, SK12 5787 , IF5-S7J
Focke Wulf FW 44 U Stieglitz, SK12, SE-BWZ
Grunau Baby, SE-SNY
Klemm Kl 35, SK15 5025, F5-155


Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

The Military Aviation in Sweden - Aircraft Gallery webpage, by Jonathan & Lars Henriksson, presents much information on German designed aircraft used by Sweden, as well as photos and links to Swedish museums with remaining examples. The webpage address is:

http://www.avrosys.nu/aircraft/index.htm

Each aircraft section contains histories and illustrations of the aircraft and a bibliography. Frequently, photos of remaining examples in museums are presented, either directly, or through links. Sections of Luftwaffe interest:

Reconnaissance Aircraft (1926- )

Caspar S.1/Heinkel HE 1 ”Hansa” (1921-1931)
Heinkel HE 2 ”Hansa” (1926-1935)
Heinkel HE4 ”Hansa” (1926-1931)
Heinkel He 5 ”Hansa” (1927-1945)
Heinkel He 114A (1941-1949)
Fiesler Storch Fi 156C (1938-1961)

Trainer Aircraft (1926- )

Heinkel HD 24 (1926-1939)
Heinkel HD 35 (1926-1929)
Heinkel HD 36 (1927-1940)
Focke-Wulf Fw 44J Stieglitz (1936-1967)
Klemm Kl 35 (1940-1949)
Bücker Bü 181B-1 Bestmann (1942-1954)
FVM 160 Albatros (1926-1935)

Sailplanes and Gliders (1942-1958)

Schulgleiter SG 38 (1943-1953)
Grunau Baby IIB-2 (1942-1953)
DFS Kranich (1943-1953)
DFS Weihe (1943-58)

Bombers (1926-1959)

Junkers Ju 86K (1936-1958)

Torpedo Bombers (1929-1946)

Heinkel HD 16 (1928-1939)
Heinkel He 115 (1939-1952)
Junkers Ju 86K (1945-1948)

Transport Aircraft (1928- )

Junkers F 13 Flying Ambulance (1928-1946)
Junkers W 33 / W 34 Flying Ambulance (1933-1953)
Junkers Ju 52/3m (1940-1945)
Junkers Ju 86Z-7 (1940-1958)
Dornier Do 24T (1945-1951)

Links

Examples of many of the above aircraft can be found in Swedish museums. The Henriksson's have provided links to the following museum sites of Luftwaffe interest:

"<U>Flygvapenmuseum</U>, The Official Museum of the Swedish Air Force. Located at Malmslätt, also called Malmen, near Linköping. Malmslätt is by many regarded as the cradle of the Swedish aviation. The museum is a must to visit!"

"<U>Svedino's Automobile and Aviation Museum</U> at Ugglarp near Falkenberg on the Swedish West Coast has an impressing collection of old cars and military and civil aircraft. The museum has just built a new hangar of 1800 sq m."

"<U>Svensk Flyghistorisk Förening (Swedish Aviation Historical Society)</U>, the major association for aviation history in Sweden with connections to the Air Force." I couldn't determine whether there were any German designed aircraft in the musuem, but there are period photos of German design aircraft on the site.

"<U>Tekniska Museet (Museum of Science and Technology)</U> in Stockholm has some preserved old aircraft in its big collection"
The museum also has a library and archives.

"<U>Västerås Flygmuseum</U> - an interesting private aircraft museum. Västerås is not far from Stockholm."

"<U>Arlanda Aerospace Flygmuseum</U> has a big collection of civil aircraft. Located at the Arlanda Airport. The museum is closed for the public for the moment."

Besides the museum sites, there are a number of links to Swedish aviation sites and email addresses of individuals with strong interest in Swedish aviation.

Updates - As the name implies, a useful introduction to the sort of material available on the webpage.

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

The FAF: Finnish Air Force webpage, by Matti Yrjölä, gives information on German designed aircraft in Finnish service in WW II. The webpage address is:

http://hkkk.fi/~yrjola/war/faf/

Sections of interest:

<U>Second World War</U>

Aircraft of the FAF in WW2

<U>Messerschmitt Bf109</U>

Color photos of Bf 109 G6 (MT-507) in Finnish Air Force wartime colours at the Central Finland Aviation Museum, Tikkakoski.

Brief history.

Technical data.

Book references - 3 listed

Related links - 7 listed

<U>Related Sites</U> - 2 listed

Aces of the FAF in WW2

<U>Information sources</U> - Links to related sites.


Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Mikael Olrog
20 mm MG 204 used on Do 26
Sat Aug 17 17:05:13 2024
213.89.103.197

At the Krigsminnesmuseum in Narvik (Norway), I saw a 20 mm MG 204 exhibited next to some other preserved relics from the Do 26. I don't think that I've heard about the MG 204 before so that was a surprise to me.

Can anyone confirm the use of the MG 204 on the Do 26? Was it used on any other aircraft too? I'd also be interested in some general data on the MG 204, which as I understand was a pre-war developed cannon.

Thanks!
/Mikael

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Peter D Evans
re: Do26 armament
Sat Aug 17 17:36:35 2024
62.30.112.1

Hi Mikael...

All the reference material I have points to five of the six Do 26's built being armed with one 20-mm MG151 cannon in the bow turret, one 7.9-mm MG15 machine gun firing aft from each of the two lateral amidships blisters and one 7.9-mm MG15 firing aft from a position behind the rearplaning bottom step... No mention of a MG204 is made, but it could be that this weapon was discovered with the wreck of a Do26 which served with 1./Ku.Fl.Gr.506 which was shot down by RAF Hurricanes which made a forced landing at Narvik. It seems that Do 26's were used as troop carriers and it might be that the MG 204 in question was cargo during one such flight... just a theory anyway

cheers

Peter D Evans - moderator
LEMB - Luftwaffe Experten Message Board

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

robert inkol
Re: re: Do26 armament
Sun Aug 18 01:44:33 2024
24.42.208.51

I'm sure that, at this early date, the supply of MG151s must have been very limited. I wouldn't be surprised if alternatives were used, particularly in a transport flying boat given the expectation that combat would be avoided as far as possible. I think I've seen references to HS 404s being used in Do 24s later in the war.

Robert Inkol

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Kjetil Aakra
MG 204
Sun Aug 18 00:22:49 2024
217.70.229.38

The MG 204 was indeed fitted to the Do 26s as a defensive weapon. It was a very rare gun, AFAIK it lost out to the MG FF.

It was, if memory serves, also used on the mid-fuselage turret position of the Do 24V-1 TJ+HR which also served in Narvik and on some BV 138s. I don't think all BV 138s used this cannon, probably just the initial series (BV 138A).

Nice Museum at Narvik, right!?

Kjetil

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Mikael Olrog
MG 204
Sun Aug 18 13:43:14 2024
213.89.103.197

Thanks for the information Kjetil!

Since most information on the Do 26 lists the MG 151 or MG FF as the armament, I guess that changed over time.

The museum was excellent, though it seems that some space was under reconstruction. I also liked the Lofoten Krigsminnesmuseum.

/Mikael

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

George Hopp
MG 204 on Do 26?
Sun Aug 18 01:03:53 2024
134.117.137.63

How certain are you that the captions on what you saw were coorrect? I ask because I find no reference to an MG 204 in either "Flugzeug Bewaffnung" by Manfried Schliephake, or "German Aircraft Guns WWI - WW II" by Edward Hoffschmidt. As for the Do 26, the closest it got to your MG 204 was an MG 151 in a nose turret.

But, the Do 24 T carried an HS (Hispano-Suiza)404 in a dorsal turret; and perhaps this is what you saw.

Mind you, I have been wrong before; but, that's my opinion for what it's worth.

Good luck in your quest,
George

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Mikael Olrog
MG 204 on Do 26?
Sun Aug 18 13:39:43 2024
213.89.103.197

I've got photographic evidence of the caption and the gun... When you see something that rare, the camera need to be used to docomuent it!

I think that Kjetil is right, that it was used on some limited scale, until the production of the MG 151 gained pace. The caption stated that the MG 204 was from 1938. It has the caracteristic "mickey mouse ears" drum magazine.

/Mikael

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Tony Williams
MG 204
Wed Aug 21 20:27:45 2024
195.149.37.162

The MG 204 was a Rheinmetall-Borsig weapon which fired unique 20x105 ammunition. It was only ever drum-fed, and was used in a few examples of seaplanes and flying-boats, as mentioned in other posts. It was not considered very satisfactory and was replaced by the MG 151 when these became available.

Tony Williams
Military gun and ammunition website:
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk
Discussion forum at:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Dénes Bernád
German airplane found underneath a Danish golf course
Tue Aug 27 18:34:21 2024
204.101.53.233

Originally posted by Waleed Y. Majeed on another forum:

News on Danish TV2, Monday 26th. 2024

A German plane shot down near Maribo, Denmark in 1944 is being dug out from underneath a golf course.

Relatives of the pilot Walter Prost are also at the sight. Many parts have been uncovered including cigarettes, a wrist-watch and a ID-disk which has confused the diggers as it did not belong to Walter Prost.

Could it be that of the navigator/tail gunner??? (no mention of this in the news)

The plane, a BF-110-G4 was shot down by American bombers and the pilot killed in the crash.

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Junker
Bf 110G-4 by Maribo/DK
Wed Aug 28 07:06:32 2024
195.249.149.86

It was a Bf 110G-4, from 7/III/NJG 1 that was shot down, during a daylight-mission,against USAF. Date 4. August 1944 at 15.55. Kennung G9+SR Wnr. 140317. It startet from Grove(Karup). Crew pilot Oblt. Walter Prues-Bf Fw. Josef Peters and Bs. Uffz Heinz Aleit. Aleit managed to get out, and he is still alive today. Prues and Peters were killed, but only Peters was buried at Kopenhagen. At first the idendety-disc of Peters were found, but later the Soldbuch of Prues was uncovered. So it is now possible to lay Oblt. Prues to rest, probaly next to Peters in Kopenhagen.
Junker

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Junker
(No email address given)
Bf 110G-4 Uhu-Einbausatz?
Sun Sep 1 16:20:30 2024
195.249.149.242

At the crashsite of the Bf 110G-4, at Maribo/DK, a list of all aircraft's of Stab/III and 7. and 8 Staffel was found. It was from end 1943 listing Wnr. Verbandskennzeichen and also if they were fitte with radar and extra armour. Wnr. 740013 was fittet with a Uhu-Einbausatz. Does anyone know what kind of extra gear this stands for?

Junker

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Radiomonitor
UHU-Funkleitgeräte
Sun Sep 1 18:18:48 2024
80.33.178.189

02.09.01-1704z--There were two UHUs - UHU 1 - was a radio-command-equipment, made up by the aircraft's VHF receiver FuG17e- working on 42-48 mHz- and by which the Fighter-Commander on the ground cound give signals to the aircraft in the air such as bearing(to the enemy aircraft), flight level and distance. The UHU 1 was electrically attached to FuG17 and was the "Einbausatz".---- UHU 2 was a similar equipment - coupled to the aircraft's FuG16zy- working on 38-42 mHz- the supplement radio set - the "Einbausatz" was the FuG135. -- The Fug16 and FuG17 were alike, only difference was the frequency. FuG16zy was a normal Zielfluggerät, by which the aircraft could "home" on a received radio signal from a beacon-- The FuG16 and FuG17 worked also as ordinary radio telephones and were standard navigation equipment from about beginning of 1944 -- Before then the navigation radio traffic had been carried on long-wave on telegraphy (morse)using the equipment of the FuG10 (EL=Empfänger Langwelle)--vy73-KAL+

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Junker
Thank's a lot N/T
Mon Sep 2 06:42:14 2024
195.249.149.209